Boomboxes, Blind Spots, and Bad Dads: A Deep Dive into Say Anything (1989)

We're kicking off our totally tubular '80s summer rewind series with the cult classic Say Anything (1989), starring Ione Skye and John Cusack. Kira’s teenage heart is swooning, while Izzy is…confused. We’re unpacking emotional enmeshment, obsessive crushes, and that infamous boombox scene (spoiler: it doesn’t go how you remember it). Come for the nostalgia, stay for the love lessons—and the healthy dose of side-eye.

What We Cover:

• Lloyd Dobler: Dream guy or giant red flag?
• Diane’s wild ride from golden girl to jail visitor
• The messy, manipulative father-daughter dynamic
• Why first love is intoxicating (and often dysfunctional)
• 80s tropes that shaped a generation of daters
• Real talk: Will Lloyd and Diane make it?

Where to Watch: Say Anything is currently streaming on Hulu.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

That's right, welcome to our 80s series, Big Hair, Big Hopes, 80s Rom-Com Rewind. This week we are breaking down 1989 Rom-Com with Ione Skye and John Cusack, Say Anything, currently streaming on Hulu.

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Welcome to the Rom-Com Rescue Podcast, a brand new podcast where we bring the love and life lessons from your favorite rom-coms. I'm Kira Saban. I'm a healthy dating educator, a certified coach, and a positive psychology practitioner. But more importantly, I spend my days teaching the skills and mindsets of dating.

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And I'm Dr. Isabel Morley. I'm a licensed clinical psychologist and an EFT-certified couples therapist, and I help couples have the happiest, healthiest relationship possible. Join us weekly as we break down the best love lessons from your favorite rom-coms so we can all get into the best relationships possible, because we believe that we create our own happily ever afters.

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Welcome back. We are officially back and we're not just back. We are back with a series. It is summer break and we've decided to go back to the 80s and spend at least the next four episodes, maybe more, breaking down some of the best 80s rom-coms. And that's questionable. I'm not going to lie. Best 80s rom-coms still have questionable lessons, but we're going to have fun with it. And if you come over to YouTube or check us out on Instagram, you will see we are in full costume right now. It is fantastic. It's a lot. Please come on over and see us but let's get into this because I mean I have I have so much to say because this is part of my childhood, teen years, world, and you're just like, what the fuck was this

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movie? I'm so confused. Let's go, let's

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go. Tell me what you thought. The best part of

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our series is that you've seen these movies, they mean something to you. I've seen none of them. I'm coming in blind. Here's the one thing that I'll say. I left this movie thinking, what just happened? And I still don't know. I am not sure. I was so lost the entire time. Like it's supposed to be light and funny and there was some funny moments, but then it was like very serious. Lloyd is in the scary montage, driving around, talking to himself. And I also wasn't sure. I also wasn't sure what everybody's role was like. Okay. So she's smart and bookish. And I even out of touch with the teen world, but was he Kira? Was he cool? Is he not cool? I think he's just Lloyd. What's that? For a second, I thought he was like the cool kid who was bringing in the nerd into the group. Then I was like, oh, but maybe he's not cool at all either. And why is he obsessed with her?

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So when I say, what is your overall takeaway? You're like, huh? What was this?

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And I'm waiting for the boombox scene. Because I've heard about it my whole life. I'm waiting for this boombox

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scene. Right, right, right. It's a very classic scene.

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I'm imagining she goes to the window. Oh, look, it's amazing. Runs out into the grass to hug him. The boombox scene leads to nothing. He just stands there and does it and she ignores him. And then it goes to the next scene, Kira. I was so confused. Why is everyone obsessed with the boombox scene?

SPEAKER_00: 3:59

Okay, well, so let me preface a couple of things here. Number one... So this came out in 1989. I was 16 when this came out. So I was pretty much like in the age range to watch this. So that's number one. Number two, John Cusack is my end all be all 80s leading man, right? Like his fast paced talking, sarcastic humor, vulnerability. I am. It is my jam. It is my fucking jam. I love it so much. I also need you to know my love for Peter Gabriel is beyond huge. I actually walked down the aisle, everybody, to In Your Eyes, classical version. I am not even joking. Yes, I did. That's how much. He's not in a church. I got married in Mexico. But that's how much I love Peter Gabriel. This was the beginning of my Peter Gabriel love that has now lasted since 1989. And yeah, like so there. So I have, I'm sure, a thousand blind spots. Right. And to me, Lloyd Dobler, which is a character in this, is just a genius. Yeah. Jake Ryan was every girl's crush in 1985-86 when that came out. But then when this came out, everybody was like, oh, Lloyd Dobler. Everybody wants a Lloyd. Everybody wants a Lloyd. And I know you and I both know now that no, not everybody wants a Lloyd. There's some weird shit going on here. But unfortunately, in 1989, this looked good. I think that's what I have to say. This looked good for a guy.

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Part of my confusion, though, is that I like Jonathan too. And I thought he was attractive in this. And I was like, oh, I totally see the appeal. I can see it. But I can't quite feel it. And like he is, he would be my vibe of whatever guy I would imagine that I'd be attracted to. So I can, it's overwhelming. It's right there. It's almost there. But I think I was so confused about the nature of their roles and their relationships and why her dad took up 90 percent of the movie. I

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know.

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Transgressions with a lot. It just the pieces didn't quite fit together for me. They didn't fit together. It's but I'm on board with John.

SPEAKER_00: 6:49

Right. Good. So I will say this. This is probably my least favorite episode. or one of my least favorite of John Cusack's 80s movies because it's so heavy. Even when I was a kid, I saw this in the theater with my friends and the whole dad thing and then her relationship with her dad. We'll get into that in a minute. It was super weird, everybody. I don't know if that's enmeshment. I don't know what we want to call that. Like an emotional dependency. Yes, there is some weird-ass shit going on there. But I remember... Feeling, and I am probably going to say this more than a couple times on these episodes, is I was pretty naive and immature. So I actually probably related a little bit to Diane because watching this, I was like, she is so naive. She is so just not ready for the world whatsoever, which is how I felt. But I just remember watching this and not loving it when I was in the 80s. I loved it more now because it felt so heavy and the father conversation was so much. They go to jail. I feel very whipped around in this world we're in. But I want you to know I watched it twice. I rewatched it this morning. And I fully see it, right? I fully see, first of all, before we go into overall love lessons, we do have some questions for each other. Oh, yeah, yeah. We do have some questions. I think we should get to them. And then we can go into love lessons because I have a lot of thoughts about... the weird amount of movies in the 80s that had these obsessive crushes that we thought were okay. That's cute. But we'll get into that, right? Now, I think you have a question for me. I have a question for you, too. So what do you got for me? What do you

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got? Okay. This, I think, is going to be very telling. So first of all, Lloyd would definitely not make it as a professional boxer. That's not happening. But...

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He's kickboxing, by the

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way. Kickboxing. Oh, that's so much better. That's much more likely for him.

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Yes.

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If you had to date a professional athlete, what sport would you pick?

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This is great. So first of all, it would be nothing where my partner was famous, right? I would not pick football, basketball, any of that shit. Zero interest, right? I'm talking like badminton, maybe curling. Can you make a living off of being a professional badminton

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player, Kira?

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You didn't say that they had to make a living off of it. That's true. I'm just saying that the last thing I want to do is watch my I don't think the fame that comes along with being an athlete is very, you know, it's not good for relationships. Listen, it's fucked up, right? I'm not right. I'm never going to encourage somebody to date somebody who is gone half of the year. Their career is going to be the only thing that you basically do for years. And the pressure, honestly, just the pressure on athletes to perform. I have zero interest in that. When people are like, I want to date somebody famous. I'm like, I want to date somebody not famous. I want to date the opposite of famous because there's just so much bullshit that goes along with that. So I'm telling you, I would date maybe younger version of me would want somebody flashy. But Kira now, I'm like, he can be the king of Foursquare. Right. That's where we're at with it. Maybe tennis? Tennis feels like okay, right? Because it feels a little bit more controlled. They can still make a good living, maybe have a life. I don't know. What about you? Sorry, I'm just like talking. What about

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you? I'm loving this. I did

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not expect that at

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all. Tetherball? Ping pong. Great. Exactly. I think I would pick a swimmer because for the same reason of like you have a little more control over your profession, your life, your training. My concern with professional athletes is the fame, the temptations to cheat. There's a lot of infidelity. There's a lot of mismanagement of their own money. It's a lot of bad situations they're put in. They're traveling. They get traded. If you're a swimmer, you have a little more agency over that stellar body. Sounds

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like a tree situation. I was going to say my– so I grew up in a small town. We certainly did not have a swim team in small town Wisconsin. But my college did. And I had a couple of my good guy friends actually were swimmers. So I would go to meets. And besides the hot, humid smell of chlorine that you have to sit in all day, besides that, it is– Not a bad sight. Let's just put it that way to sit there and watch a swimming meet. Not a bad. I think that's a really, really smart go on your part. Yes. Yes. So. One of my favorite characters who's giving, by the way, she is the opposite of a dating coach, a healthy dating coach, Corey, who is played by Lily Taylor, one of my favorite characters of all time. She's like, I wrote 95 songs about Joe and I'm going to play every single one of them tonight. But I feel like not in high school, but there's maybe a point in all of our lives where we like like a quote unquote bad boy, which is usually just somebody who's not emotionally available. And that doesn't treat us very well. But did you ever have a Joe in your life? Did you ever have a person where your friends were like, don't do it? Don't, Izzy, don't do it. Yeah. You're just going to get hurt. Did you ever have that?

SPEAKER_01: 13:02

Oh, yes. I had a Joe. You did? His name was, began with the same letter. He was in middle school who kind of drifted into high school, but it was classic Joe. He's there. He's not there. We're together or we're not really together. He has a house party and doesn't invite me but invites everybody else.

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Rude.

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You have to write yourself a letter freshman year of high school that you then open at the end of high school where I went. And in my letter to myself, I wrote about how I was dating him and blah, blah. It was so great. And then you see that I cross it out and I said in the margins of this letter, never mind. He had a party at his house and didn't invite me. So you're over him right there. Like, classic, classic. He was a bad boy. He was, like, very anti-establishment. He now lives maybe in rural Wisconsin, actually, and has, like, a farm. He, like, took a whole different direction from what I expected in life. He's got a farm. He, like, ran for a local office. So random.

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If you guys would have stayed together, then, like... In Wisconsin. And we'd both be living in Wisconsin. This feels like. We were so close. It feels like a missed opportunity. I

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know.

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We wouldn't have had that damn opportunity and you were more than 14.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I just was thinking like, I feel like every person has one person where your friends are like, just don't do it. Stop it. Just don't do it. Don't do it.

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Not

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good. So any other questions? Later, I was really lame and young and naive in high school and college. I went to I loved my college experience, but there was two women to every man. It was not good ratios for for us ladies. So I just didn't date a ton in college, to be honest. But once I hit cruise ship, there were some. Oh, yeah. And then I was drinking a lot. So there's there's a couple of times where I remember like my friends being like, all right, drunk here. And let's just go back to your cabin because you're making eyes at people that you're going to regret tomorrow. And I'd be like, I'm fine. So, yeah, that definitely that that definitely happened. Those are not proud moments, but hey, they all created the Kira. So who is here? Looking fine. With fantastic makeup. So there we go. Let's get into the best and worst love lessons. And I think that there's probably, honestly, as I mentioned, mildly surprised at how this held up for love lessons, right? Maybe not some other things. Maybe not some like... things. Maybe I'm really... There's some concerns. There's some concerns, I think, that I'm probably not even thinking or noticing that you're going to bring up because I do notice as I was watching this and I just smiled the whole fucking time, I'm like, oh, I've got blind spots. Right? Like, I've got blind spots because my biggest blind spots are for sure Lloyd Dobler, John Cusack's character. But yeah, I was just... I really wished... This movie, if it was remade, would focus on their relationship. And just like that young love that happens sometimes in high school or just that's so impactful or that's so exciting and new, which is what I loved that part of it. I think that they did that really, really well. And I think that they showed a really vulnerable side in John Cusack's character that, as I mentioned, like we did not get to see. Yeah. Men portrayed at in the 80s. We see that character now all the time. But in the 80s, like that and then Eric Stoltz's character in Some Kind of Wonderful, those two characters are my favorite male characters. But they're both like sensitive, nice guys who, you

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know. What? Rewind. You think Lloyd is a sensitive, nice guy?

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Yes.

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Oh,

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my God. All right. All right. Teach me. Teach me right now that– because this is the 80s blind spot, right? This is the 80s blind spot. Now, I can't look at it through anything but like on some level a 16-year-old Kira, right? It's hard for me. Why don't you tell me right now the ways that Lloyd is not maybe nice or healthy or the best potential boyfriend? Why don't you tell all of us?

SPEAKER_01: 17:40

when we first meet him. And he is so rude and mean to his sister, who's clearly gone through a very hard time. She's a single parent. She's asking for a little help. And he is so cruel in how he responds to her. Like, one of the meanest things you can say to somebody, he just snaps at her with and then leaves as if it was justified. He was doing her a favor by letting her know the way she is. And I was like, what? This is our introduction to this man? This is a terrible first impression. I

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have no remembering of the scene whatsoever. You watched it this morning, Karen. I know, but I don't remember him being rude. This is blind spots, everybody. This is because it's like siblings talking. And I cannot say how much I love for Joan Cusack. I just love her so much. She's fantastic. I love her so much. But yeah, here's something I do want to say before you go on. He's portrayed as he's like an army brat. His parents are in Germany, right? So he's like living with his sister to finish up high school in the state. He's actually 19. So he says, I'm 19. Like, I just feel that was super, not super normal, but way more normal than we see now, right? Where that kind of transient or misplacement where you'd have somebody come into school for one year and then leave or whatever. I just feel like that's not the goal of parents now. That back then, like that was pretty regular like somebody would be like living with their best friend for a year while their parents are doing something or that shit I think does not go down now like you just know right but way more common back then just way more common yeah we see he's living with his sister who's going through a divorce as a young kid right like he has no supervision

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yeah

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and I think he took his roots and he placed them underneath Diane that's what I think

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and why Why was he so obsessed with her? He had no interactions with her as far as we know until he asks her out to this party. But he's been like watching her from afar and can't wait to find a way to date her. And even his friends are like, okay, what? What is happening? Why is this your life's goal? It does feel like he's looking for something to ground him. And he finds this very sweet, easily... Manipulated, impressionable young girl going through a crisis in the end with her father. And she just replaces one male figure with another. Yes, you're

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right.

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He's going to be a professional kickboxer. This is

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so trivia that... So this was written by Cameron Crowe. It's one of his earlier movies. He created Jerry Maguire. He created Almost Famous. He has now created a ton of pretty... quintessential movies through time. And this is a very cult classic and loved movie, but I'm in no denial that we seemed very okay. And I actually had a moment this morning that I'll probably process later of... This is where I learned like huge crushes or almost obsessive crushes were okay. This movie, Pretty in Pink, Sixteen Candles, all of these are one. Can't find me love. Can't find me love. All of these movies are one person being seemingly out of somebody else's league, right? The other person having to hustle and earn their worth and their attention. And that's the way I acted in. through most of my 20s and 30s for that matter. And I can see this is the kind of teaching where I was taught that was okay. I now believe crushes are just another way to be single. Crushes are just another way to remain emotionally unavailable so I didn't have to be vulnerable and try, right? But this is a theme and we were taught it. And I think it's a big Gen X thing, actually. I can't believe how much I was taught there are people out of my league. And so what am I going to do to win over their love? What kind of makeover

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do you have to have? Like, magical?

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Take your glasses off. I will say that, like, Lloyd felt like he... No, I can't probably defend most of his actions. They go to the party and he just

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ditches her. They arrive at the party and he... But he was also

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the key master. He is not.

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He's the key master, so he has to collect the keys. First of all, he doesn't have to be the key master. If he's so intent on winning her affection, this is his one opportunity. Why does he bring her to a party where she knows no one because she has been reading books instead of socializing for four years? And

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then he just disappears. And taking college classes and stuff like that. Here's what I will say really quickly is... I wrote down that Diane is overprotected to the point of like extreme naivete as well as it felt like she was forced to fit in with adults and has no idea how to connect with people her age, right? Going to that party and just even having conversations or people signing her yearbook like it was nice to finally meet you or talk to you or whatever, right? And it was just like, wow. But she works at a nursing home. She spends all her time with her dad or studying. The world is going to be a rude wake-up call, especially 1990 London. It's going to be a rude wake-up call for her when she really hits it because that's– you and I talked about this on this podcast, but just this raising women to be pure and naive and how I'm watching this and I was like, this girl is going to be eaten alive out there. By

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Lloyd. Kira, Lloyd is going to eat you alive. her alive lloyd has more awareness of the world and i feel like he's not that he what's the right word because i don't want to say predator but

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oh my

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god as in predator prey as in she's like a bunny and i just feel like she's sort of like take care of me this is going to be okay you're you're here for me so

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so if i look at this if i can step back far enough which is very hard Very, very hard. Step back far enough. Here's the stuff I see. I see, first of all, that Lloyd has an obsessive crush. And it's really just what he thinks she is versus who she actually is. That, number one, why he likes Diana, because of superficial reasons. She's pretty. She's the golden girl, right? So I know... I know like why he likes her, but I do like the fact later when he started to let or I started to trestle. You know, around. There was some really kind of more mature things that I know. I'm going to let it. Reaching so hard. Thank you. But you're right. Like, and for that, Diane is just, I mean, she's a year old, you know, just like bopping around, kind of waiting for men to solve all of her problems. You know, I mean, and we do have to quickly sidestep into the most, the biggest relationship is In this movie, it's not her lawyer, it's her dad. Her dad who

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is so using her for his own needs for validation and success. Totally. And lying to her, truly gaslighting her about what is happening in their life. There is a weird, unhealthy dynamic there. I wish she had lived with her mom or split time between the two more often. More effectively because she is just living in her dad's world at her dad's will. And then to see this change where then he's obviously caught for all of the fraud and then in jail. It's like her life is in total turmoil. And that's why I don't, I know that Lloyd is there, but they barely know each other. And it just feels like he's like swooping in and she's in this vulnerable moment and he's going to ride her coattails of success in the way that her dad wanted to. Yeah. So that's how I really feel.

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Wait, tell me how you really feel because I didn't catch it. No. And you know what? I don't think you're wrong. I think that Lloyd is lost and looking for, like I said, some roots or some ground. And he sees this like golden girl, this like, if we could figure this out, maybe. And by the way, people do this all the time while dating, right? We try to date what we view as somebody who is better than us or above us or something like that. Just to feel right, we kind of are looking for attractive people because then we think, well, that it makes me look more worthy if I'm with a more attractive or tall or famous or successful. And none of those things actually create love. None of those things create healthy relationships. And, you know, I think that my biggest thing that I will say is that I think that I give this a lot of pass because it just feels like young first love, which is there's a lot of immaturity, a lot of mistakes, a lot of superficiality, right? Because he Unnecessary. Yeah, all of it. She is a

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little wife to him in a really weird, unhealthy way.

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They were for her. So not that no

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accountability.

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Right. That's super manipulative. That's no accountability of I did this because I wanted to feel good or, you know, pretend that I was in a different place than I was, whatever it is. But it was just. It's the reason this isn't one of our 80s movies. I mean, as much as I love Peter Gabriel, as much as I love John Cusack, as much as I actually enjoyed it even this time around thinking, okay, that wasn't as terrible. It's too much. You know, just that heavy story. It is, you know, and how then she finds the money and, like, she's going and negotiating with her mom, with the IRS people. She's like, you're just wrong. Like, it's so odd. And... Not even odd. Not be the daughter or like a 17. Not, you know, like she is basically slid as his advocate, like wife, not child. I know. I wish they had taken it all out and

SPEAKER_01: 29:08

had him just be an overprotective dad who didn't approve. It could have stopped there and that would have been great. I agree. They took it so far that. I think it was to contrast how different Lloyd is from her dad and how he's a better choice. But I don't see Lloyd as being different enough for me to not be concerned that she's not just recreating this pattern immediately with another person. So I think that was the part for me that made it difficult. It's like, I don't see Lloyd as being the polar opposite of her dad.

SPEAKER_00: 29:35

He's probably not. She is sliding right into the same role of somebody, you know, basically center of attention. She acts like she doesn't like that, but it's also what she knows. Being the center of her dad's world and now she's the center of Lloyd's world. We're talking about how long it's going to take before that instant power struggle or imbalance. Because how long is it going to be before Lloyd does just Well, shit, none of this is for me, right? Like, this is all of her all the time. We're now going for her. Like, what are you going to do there? You know, which leads us into, and I think there is probably, I'm sure you have thoughts of, will they make it?

SPEAKER_01: 30:23

Kira, I don't want to break any hearts here, but, like, in no world do they make it. Or if they do, it's unhealthy. No, they really don't. They're so young. Yeah, they're way too young and experienced. Right? They have so much life to live, so many challenges to encounter. And if they stay together, I just don't think it'll be the healthiest relationship.

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I don't because they're so immature and because the power imbalance is so large. And because I think both of them have an extreme amount of time to do right. As most of us do at 19 or 19 years old. Right. Not just the two people in this movie. Yeah, I think there is. I think here's what I think would happen is. Yes, yes. And then, but yeah, I fully agree. Because to me, all the passes I gave this was just because young, dumb love, right? Like, I'm just like, at that first, like, we're not making sense. Hormones are running the show.

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We're so overwhelmed. 100%. Which isn't lovely. Which is fun. I will say that first love feeling that is like consumes you and makes you feel crazy because you are so obsessed with them. There's something so cute and lovely and fun about that. It's less cute when you've been married for five years and you haven't had a chance to grow and change and be autonomous. So yeah, I agree. If they split, they do some growing, they do some of their own work around their parent issues, right? Like being lied to and manipulated and neglected and abandoned. And then they come back together. Great.

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So if they were our clients, do you have any thoughts? Lloyd ain't ready. He

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has got so much work to do on self-awareness and he doesn't respect boundaries. The boombox thing is like cute, but it's not. She has. I mean, but it's kind of cute. I don't think that it is. She was not interested. He's reactive. And he was him driving around that car. I know. And I.

SPEAKER_00: 32:39

When he was talking to himself, I just thought that was like a scene of where he's like, and there is not where she broke up with me. I gave her my heart. She gave me a pen, which is a very sick line in this movie. But no, both of them, the... A lot of maturity, a lot of more experience, and a lot more just finding who the heck they want to be without each other before they can figure out who they are. And we got time. I do have some really fun facts because obviously this movie is very old, but we have a lot of facts. So I gave her my heart and she gave me a pen and was voted the 73 of the 100 greatest movie lines ever. Wow. The dojo featured in this movie, so where he was kickboxing, is also the same dojo where the kid was shot. I love that. During the iconic scene of Lloyd holding the boombox over his head, the actual song that was being played during the filming was another song that was by Fishbone. And then... In Your Eyes was added in post-production. Interesting. So they actually went through a handful of songs before they settled on In Your Eyes. And lots of people were considered for Lloyd, Christian Slater.

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Okay, then I would have loved this movie. Then I would have had no issues with it.

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Oh. Yeah. Christian Slater. Hello, everybody. Ready? Robert Dottie Jr. turned it down. What?

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What?

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Kirk Cameron, do you even know who that is? Kirk Cameron, yeah, you don't need to

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either,

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was considered, who was like at the time, and a couple of other people. And then Jennifer Connelly also, I don't know if you know who that is. She was, I think she actually would have. And then Elizabeth Shue was also considered. It's popular. But I will say for... All of my other like 70s, 80s, like teen years people out there, everybody has to agree that this is like two of the women, two of the Heathers from the movie Heathers, this movie, Pamela Adlon, who is now gone. China Phillips, who went on to, do you know who China Phillips is? I got nothing. Pamela Adlon. I know there's pain. Why do you lock yourself up in these chains? She went on to... I don't, but you sang it so beautifully. Thank you. Wow. Hold On by Wilson Phillips. That's Chyna Phillips. Okay.

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Yikes.

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This is heartbreaking, everybody. She does not know this, so this is heartbreaking. I will be remedying this on the other side. There's just a lot of early actors, that kind of thing. And I will say... The guy who they find him in the toilet, kind of the cool, like, alternative guy, that is Barbra Streisand. Oh, my God.

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That's so random.

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Yes, yes, yes. And Julia Roberts was also considered for a minor role in this because she was just starting her career. Whoa. Popular movie. I know. It was actually a pretty big movie. I think in some ways it still holds up for an 80s movie. Right. Do I think that this is teaching the love lessons that we see now? Fuck no. Do I think that like I'm happy there wasn't more disgustingness that I see in the 80s

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movies? But see, this also highlights that if you watch a movie during a formative time, whether it's your adolescence or post breakup or whatever, it can lodge itself in your heart and become a wonderful thing that you're willing to overlook the bad lessons for. Because if we watch Overboard... Right. I fully

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understand that. And I think that it's... I think it's good. I think it's good that we come on here and talk about realistic stuff. Like, I can notice that he's pretty unboundaried in this, that I feel like she is just young, naive and mixed messages. Like, she doesn't know what she wants. She's virtually living for everybody else in her life but her. They have a lot of growing up to do. I still love my rating for overall tacos. It was poor. Like I said, this was not actually my favorite, but it made me happy. Love lessons. I'm going to say a I don't know. Oh, my God. That's maybe ridiculous. I don't know. I'm not looking up at that. You know what? We went into this knowing we were going to be on

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different sides of the coin. I... Yes. I gave it a two overall. I gotta say, I did not enjoy it. I do not want to watch it again. And for love lessons, and maybe this is too harsh, I gave it a one. I had a hard time finding good lessons in this movie. But again, like, That might be fair. With my disclaimer that I have no emotional attachment to this movie.

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I get it. I get it. All right, guys. That is a wrap on our first episode for our 80s series. What did you think? Do you love Say Anything? Are you blind to all of the questionable things like I was? Did you notice all of the issues like Izzy did? Let us know.

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Next week, we are going to be continuing the 80s series with Can't Buy Me Love. Woohoo! With Patrick Dempsey and the rest in peace Amanda Peterson. Make sure... That's sad, but yes.

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